Tiananmen – The Gate of Heavenly Peace

In the founding myths of the Chinese Communist Party, youth and student movements play a crucial role, with the Red Guard and Cultural Revolution being ideological tidal waves that transformed the nation. In the founding myths of post Cold War neo-liberalism, it was another student movement – the one that took place on June 4th, 1989 in and around Tiananmen Square, Beijing – that shaped much of its identity as a supposed free and open society to a counterpoint of communist authoritarianism. In the West, notions of calls for Western style democracy were what the students appeared to be advocating for, yet in China, the people on the ground, in actuality, were searching for something, like most ordinary people, for things more practical, and in practice – nearly orthogonal to that promoted in Western media and government propaganda.


Myth of the 20th Century – Episode 223 – Tiananmen – The Gate of Heavenly Peace

— References —

The Gate of Heavenly Peace, Hinton and Gordon (1995)

14 Comments Add yours

  1. amalekite says:

    You guys should do your shows before Nick starts drinking.


    1. Hyperfuneral says:

      It’d be awfully hard to go that far back in time.


  2. Anon says:

    Is Hank doing okay? His last tweet was a little concerning.

    Liked by 1 person

    1. Anon says:

      I think Hank has just moved to posting in the New American sun Twitter account and doing the losers and winners thing on the website now. Which is fine he’s still funny it’s just not as personal as it was when he had his own account where Libs and lefties thought he was a Zionist shill, lol.


  3. Anon says:

    Good content, learned a lot from this.

    You guys should do a Stalin episode at some point. Would love to hear Nick’s take on Stalin and Soviet history in general. Hope Hank is okay.

    Liked by 1 person

  4. RayAndBri says:

    Great episode once again! I know it might be on the list of topics you’ve collectively agreed not to bother with, but I feel like you all have the knowledge to do a world-class JFK assassination video.

    Also, I concur with the other commenters, what is up with Hank on Twitter? Twitter is gay and all, but Hank is usually so active and I would’ve loved to see his takes as the Russia stuff unfolded (Putin is based btw)

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    1. Anon says:

      If you’re interested, I think they touched on it a little in their episodes on the syndicate and maybe the cia one also.


  5. Earl Shetland says:

    Pere Ubu – nice

    thanks for this episode, Tiananmen makes a lot more sense now

    hope Hank is ok


  6. R.Greenfield says:

    I would like to comment on two things about this episode.

    The first is that the discussion between Nick and Adam was an important one. While they didn’t and most likely never will come to a middle ground in the issue. There is really a need for pragmatism and idealism to have a dialog. Idealism if left unchecked is just lunacy, pragmatism if left unchecked will just end up being neo-liberalism. The economy and improvements in efficiency are tools in my opinion, but those should work torwards something instead of making big line go up, for big line’s sake.

    The second is that China seems to be an interesting “frenemy” to the Western elite. I can imagine having an 1990s style breakdown in China would have made some people really rich and the possible power vacuum for example could have kept Hong Kong in British hands as well. Considering treaties and agreements usually are only honored when you have enough power to back up your claim or position. On the other hand deindustrialisation and a switch to a service sectory focused economy was essential to remove leverage from the populations in the Industrialised world.


  7. amalekite says:

    I know you guys like to focus on historical topics, not just cover current events and bullshit. And I know you did the episode with MR Johnson on Putin. But I’d love to hear what you have to say about Ukraine.


  8. Boogah' says:



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